Students upset by ceremony time change
Students from the USC School of Social Work got together Thursday to air their grievances against their administration for abruptly changing the time and venue of their graduation ceremony, after an e-mail was accidentally sent to students by Dean Marilyn Flynn announcing the change.
Tension · Gwendolyn Jones (left), Donny Hang (center) and Benjat Khani talked about the unfairness of the change in the graduation time and place. - Jennifer Schultz | Daily Trojan
The ceremony has been moved from 6 p.m., Friday, May 13 at the Shrine Auditorium, to 2 p.m. in an outside tent on campus to accommodate Jewish students and faculty who wish to observe Shabbat, a weekly day of rest beginning at sundown on Fridays.
Flynn’s e-mail, which was not supposed to go to students, stated that the School of Social Work did not originally “choose this option, because it is not air-conditioned, the sound is not particularly good, and it is simply less attractive from a ceremonial point of view.”
When students at the School of Social Work saw the e-mail, many were outraged.
“I respect Shabbat, but at the same time other religious events need to be taken into consideration as well,” said Danny Hang, a graduate student earning a dual degree from the School of Social Work and Davis School of Gerontology.
Students said they are not as upset about the change in venue or time as they are about the lack of equality for all students at a secular institution.
“I understand that point of view,” Flynn said, “But I would also say that in a very diverse school we have a lot of hard decisions to make. This is my decision. This is how I decided to resolve the conflict as I understood it. Not everybody will agree with that, but that’s my perception and that’s my decision.”
Administrators, including Hillary Chisum, director of Special Events and Suh Chen Hsiao, director of Student Affairs, attended a graduation committee meeting yesterday to speak to students personally about the change. A subsequent meeting will be held March 1 between students and Flynn.
The e-mail was simply a mistake that should not have happened, Flynn said.
“I certainly understand [the anger,]” Flynn said. “I’m going to be meeting with the students on March 1 so I can certainly apologize for the abruptness of the change.”
Though students are upset that their input wasn’t considered, Flynn maintains that students have been very involved in the graduation ceremony process.
“We have one of the most involved student groups in the nation, and especially compared to most student groups on campus,” Flynn said. “Anybody can serve on the [graduation] committee if they want to and that committee has been planning for graduation since last year, so students have definitely been involved in that component.”
Flynn encouraged students who have been especially inconvenienced to speak to her personally.
“I haven’t yet sent a formal announcement to the students; I certainly will be letting them know directly about the change,” Flynn said. “If any student has been inconvenienced, they can meet with me and we can talk about it.”
But students were left unsatisfied after yesterday’s one-hour meeting with school administrators.
“Nothing was resolved,” said Alberto Lopez, a senior receiving his masters in social work. “No questions were answered.”
Valerie Ayala, a senior receiving her master’s degree, agreed.
“[Chisum] was very understanding,” Ayala said, “[The administration] did make a very unilateral decision, but it is about consistency.”
Students with dual degrees are also worried because the ceremony’s time change to 2 p.m. might force them to decide which ceremony to go to. For example, the Gould School of Law is hosting its graduation ceremony at 3:30 p.m.
“The original time was chosen especially so students can attend both graduations,” Hang said. “Now we have to pick which to go to.”
Flynn said students will still receive an unlimited number of tickets for guests and remains confident that the tent will adequately house the ceremony.
“I think we’ll have a good graduation experience,” she said.
Punishing plagiarism and holding deans to high standards in their decisions should not be mutually exclusive. I say we follow through on both.
Are you absolutely sure? This isn’t just rumor?
If so, then I really do think something needs to be done about it.
You obviously know some facts… Why not make this more transparent? (without giving away student’s name). We can’t ask questions or have a more serious dialog without more facts.
Did the DT cover the meeting Dean Flynn had with the students? I do not see it anywhere today. If the DT did not cover this event then good job on a big time fail DT. Here is a story that garnered more comments then many of your stories by far and you decide not to follow up on it. That is world class journalism.
That is BS. If this is true, this student should be kicked out of the program.
How can you graduate if you fail a class? Plagiarism = Fail.
hear hear!!
I just don’t understand why such an accommodation was made for a religious observance. What makes Shabbat so important to move a graduation date? Would the same have been done for another religious observance?
I’m not for or against the move, just curious as to why.
USC offers a joint degree with Hebrew Union College (MSW/MASTER OF ARTS IN JEWISH COMMUNAL SERVICE ). While USC is secular, it is important to take into account the diversity of all of our students. There were two times slots available for graduation for the MSW graduation. The 2pm slot ensured that more students could attend the ceremony.
Dean Flynn should run thru the events step by step that led her to decide to change the graduation plans. This is the secretive part that would be better if it was transparent. Did some alumni call her or administrator call this to her attention? Obviously something/someone must have alerted her to the conflict with Shabbat or else this would not have been scheduled when it originally was. Please Dean Flynn – explain what events led to your decision? How were you first made aware of this conflict?
??? Where do you get this sense of entitlement? Why does she have to report to you? The graduation is now more inclusive. How about we put this energy into making our graduation awesome? Ideas, suggestions, join the grad committee, etc?
Don’t preach about entitlement when you are advocating for the observance of the Shabbat for some at the detriment of all.
I know I have made an impact when someone on this site feels compelled to imitate me at 9:50 PM last night and make a fake post pretending I am sorry! This is great! That same person probably has his entire Jewish family donate a lot of money in the past to USC so things like the Shabbat can be taken seriously. Thank you for validating that you feel I have made to most impact to this argument since if you can not debate someone on rational terms you do what most cheap political hacks do – you try and confuse the whole ball of wax.
Remember people – the important lesson here is that it is very important to retain absolute literal interpretation of scripture! That is the key to success in the 21st Cent!
No one really needs to imitate you to highlight your arrogance, intolerance, or ignorance. You do a fine job of doing that yourself.
I am a member of the c/o 2011 and I am embarrassed by some of my peers. Namely the obnoxious ones who have taken this whole situation to extreme levels. Fortunately, they are only a small percentage of our graduating class. The vast majority of our class are respectable intelligent professionals. I have faith that cooler heads will prevail and we will make the best of graduation.
I had been resigned to remain silent during this entire sordid ordeal – which has been blown out of ridiculous proportions I might add – but after witnessing the extensive strain and anxiety that this episode has inflicted on a friend of mine (one that some of you heated commentators have been quick to condemn as “anti-Semitic”), I had to have a word in.
Many individuals have neglected to acknowledge how this entire situation came about, which can really be boiled down to one, solitary word: favoritism. You do not get to display partiality toward one group over other equally valid ones. A higher learning institution should be not permitted to unfairly cater to the needs of one specific cultural sect, regardless of race, religion, social standing, orientation, or gender. Rather than focusing on this basic precept, a vast number of students have drawn their attention to hyper-sensitive, religious component of the story, which, though unarguably relevant, should not be placed at the forefront of the issue. What started out a simple matter of group bias has become perverted into a religious mêlée, resulting in a series of vicious character assaults against a group of well intentioned students. What strikes me as the most ludicrous component of this entire business is the fact that those students who are using the most caustic rhetoric are justifying their slanderous comments upon a Facebook conversation. Yes, Facebook; the same site where you can raise an imaginary farm or pretend to hurl barn yard animals at your friends. The entire conversation (though unquestionably ill-timed) was entirely harmless, entailing the translation of certain naughty expressions into a different language. If I were to ask a Russian friend how to say “I want to spank your mother’s bottom” in their native tongue would that then make me anti-Russian? Of course not, but since the language happened to have been in Yiddish (and in view of the religious affiliation of the group in question) the dialog was grossly taken out of context and labeled anti-Semitic. Using a word like “anti-Semitic” is not only injurious a person’s social standings and vocational prospects, it also demonstrates that you do not possess the capacity to form a rational argument. It’s like drawing a comparison between the president and Hitler. To those individuals that continue to employ such vindictive rhetoric I say you: STOP sidetracking the main issue, STOP slandering others with groundless accusations, and above all, STOP wasting everyone’s time.
it’s interesting how it is enough when someone who posts pictures of jewish faculty on facebook blaming them for ruining graduation gets called out, but it isn’t enough when comments are made about this change being about “jewish donors” and “jewish dollars.” if i were you, i would choose my breaking point more wisely.
Interesting – you are very wise :)
I’m sorry that I have made unprofessional, irresponsible, and downright rude comments. The thing is that I am insecure about myself and how I fit into this world. I feel better when I tear other people down to make my hollow shell of an existence feel less empty. I am actually looking forward to graduation but I regret paying all this money for my education, you know how it is, it’s easier to leave angry than sad!
lol
Personally….I will not be looking forward to this class graduating and carrying our name on their diplomas. They have come across as spoiled lil brats that have no sense of true identity. Where do they get off thinking they need to be let in on executive decisions? WHERE THE HELL DID YOU GET THAT IDEA? Do these kids understand the administration gets paid to make decisions and does not rely on students to do their jobs? Yes, it is a good leader who listens, but that does not mean they must bow-down to its subjects.
Is this really about graduation? Give me a break! My family didn’t care where my ceremony was or what time it was and I am Jewish they were just proud of me that I accomplished something worth while. My colleague hit it on a head, “Whine, Whine, Whine”. You are acting like children not getting what you want and you call this advocacy? Even that fact your administration agreed to meet with you…THAT NEVER HAPPENS, so even if you disagree with them I applaud them for even giving you kids the time of day. You’re lucky your administration even thought enough of changing the ceremony due to their sense of cultural sensitivity…where is yours?
The kid who thought it would be a great idea to speak Yiddish jokingly in an open forum in serious dialog with other students, AND who posted, apparently pictures of Jewish faculty and saying they were to blame for the change of venue….THIS KID NEEDS TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR HIS ACTIONS. I would argue disciplinary action be taken. I’m sure there must be some ethic code for such behavior…This kid wants to be a Social Worker? What has happened to this class and where does this sense of entitlement come from? It’s rather embarrassing for those of us that have graduated with a sense of true worth. Did I mention we graduated at the Lyon Center?
I am sorry to admit that the acronym “University of Spoiled Children” really does apply with what I’m hearing here. I am also proud of those who have taken a stance and have argued against this stupid dialog. Where is USC getting some of these students? Have they learned nothing about diplomacy or civility, let a lone as my colleague Marc states:
* Service
* Social justice
* Dignity and worth of the person
* Importance of human relationships
* Integrity
* Competence
This is not all your battle any longer kids just graduate on the lawn like everyone else does and let the class 2012 advocate for themselves. Personally I believe you should be happy to be leaving if it is as bad as you say. Why do you choose to convolute graduation with other topics at once, haven’t you learned that is not how advocacy works?
This is one I can get on board with!
You describe students that are upset with the change in graduation plans as having an overblown sense of entitlement. Is this any worse then imposing someone else’s religious taboos and practices upon ALL students just to accommodate your own? It is ironic you are advocating ALL affected students to “get over it” while the people who wish to observe the Shabbat be ENTITLED to do so as they always do. I do not want to repeat my earlier post about the inane compulsion some people still have about literal interpretations of scripture and using all technicalities imaginable to appear they are still abiding by the Almighty. (The fact we still have people in the 21st century who think God will be displeased if they attend their children’s graduation a few hours into the evening is pure comedy if not so tragically true). The only counter to this point is to reply how deeply offended you are by my rational statements. Whenever a religion is challenged, rationality can carry it only so far and it becomes time to play the victim and offended card. Your dismissive attitude towards those who object to having other people’s religious taboos imposed on them is a very telling sign if you are in a good position to judge self entitlement.
Regarding the kid who was using Yiddish to make light of this incident and posting Jewish faculty photos – wouldn’t it be better to let the court of public opinion judge him? I am sure already there is regret now as those responsible have to face eternal consequences of having to explain those posts since we know the internet does not forget. You can lead a crusade to vilify and blacklist this student professionally but that would make you and those who pursue this avenue seem like a vindictive, humorless congregation – convinced you are entitled to be free of parody. We are not the Danish and whether it is through cartoons or language, I hope we do not become a society where we decide we must proverbially behead people who offend our ever growing delicate sensibilities – even if it does include caricaturing religion.
I am a member of the c/o 2011 and I am embarrassed by some of my peers. Namely the obnoxious ones who have taken this whole situation to extreme levels. Fortunately, they are only a small percentage of our graduating class. The vast majority of our class are respectable intelligent professionals. I have faith that cooler heads will prevail and we will make the best of graduation
It is truly disheartening to read all of these comments from educated and trained social workers that are supposed to walk in a spirit of empathy and respect. As a profession, to advocate is not merely what we do but who we are be it on a micro or macro level. Those that have voiced their concerns regarding the unilateral decision by the Administration to change graduation should not by any means be misconstrued as prejudicial or racist. As a matter of fact it is an attempt to refrain from being exclusionary toward our colleagues that many voice their opinions.
The Dean’s decision to change graduation to accommodate some cultures while not considering others’ defeats her so-called intent of “attempting” to be inclusive toward everyone. It is impossible to accommodate everyone with such rich cultural and religious traditions, however, it is possible to create choice and options and allow people to decide what is best for them. That is what it means to be inclusive!
The complaint is not so much about the venue but that choice was taken away. Had the graduates been given an opportunity to vote, the change would have been much easier to swallow rather than being force fed to take what was given. Like the civil rights, women’s suffrage and other equality movements, activists fought for options; to choose to sit anywhere on a bus or restaurant or to vote if they wanted to. The injustice was about taking away free choice (exclusion) and likewise, the student’s choices were taken away by the Dean.
The bottom line is that the Dean should have made no change! It was unnecessary and counterintuitive. Additionally, the Dean’s failure to be accountable for her decision until she was confronted shows her failure as a leader; if you are going to make a decision then don’t point fingers but own it from the outset!
The Dean has single-handedly by her blatant disregard for ALL students created a school that is divided culturally which is SHAMEFUL! Accusations are being made and lies are being told about our colleagues that would have never been uttered. Many of us have spent the last 2-3 years learning and growing together and have created friendships that have now been tarnished. Danny Hang may be somewhat obnoxious and extreme but an anti-Semite he is NOT! If you knew him you would know that without question. I have personally disagreed and engaged in debate with him but despite our differences I respect him because he has heart and is not afraid to speak out and confront issues which should be commended, not stifled and is what leadership is about!
To disagree is fine but to attack one’s character is NOT what we as social workers are about! I implore every student in our program to please cease with the hateful discourse and really assess the situation for what it is. This is not about one student or culture against another but really about the Administration’s mishandling of graduation and we cannot lose sight of that no matter who decided to speak out about it. If we as a graduating class, program and school cannot do that, then none of us deserve to walk on May 13th or put MSW behind our names!
USC, as a secular institution of higher learning needs to take a stance on this issue as well. Will all future ceremonies for all Schools need to make sure it does not conflict with the Shabbat? Surely no other Dean will want to go through this tumultuous ordeal so should we now expect blackout dates/times for religious observance? Will USC produce an official list of these blackout dates or will it be a tacit agreement, something quietly whispered outside the confines of transparent policy? So much in our society already bends over backwards in deference to religion and its respective patriarch, God, Jesus, Jehovah, Allah, Yahweh, Zeus, Neptune… and I am afraid USC is falling right into the hands of those eagerly wielding the “I am offended…” card. These are the same people eagerly willing to throw around terms like Antisemitism, Islamophobia and Jain-haters. (OK I made up that last one). What is serious however, is if you throw about these labels to someone in our hyper, politically correct society today, even if the accusation is totally false, much of the shrapnel from the accusation alone will embed itself into the personal and professional flesh of the person willing to stand up for his or her opinion. The accusers know this and that is why they are so gleefully waiting for a juicy opportunity to be offended – real or imaginary. BTW, for all those who have to pay others to do work, such as even turning lights on and off on the official days of rest – isn’t it a bit silly you have to get the Almighty on a technicality? Furthermore, would your God be so unreasonable he can not understand you need to attend a graduation ceremony after years of hard work educating yourself? Are we really still such superstitious natives cowering the wrath of the fiery volcano lest it needs another virgin? Is your god really this douchey? If USC (and the US I dare say) is too afraid to stand up and be a true institute of higher learning, then perhaps it needs to step aside and allow other universities (say, in China) lead the charge in fields such as stem cell research while we are still beholden to our superstitious taboos. If USC existed during the days of Galileo, perhaps our school would have been filled with professors, alumni and students who would be offended at the effrontery of claiming the earth revolved around the sun. When it comes to standing up against religion, how little we have come since those days ..
Where is the consistency? All of these official events put on by the University and the School of Social Work, including Community Immersion, have taken place on a Saturday… Just a lil FYI, the school has had official events held on a Saturday, where they did not take into account the observance of Shabbat…
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Official 2010 Summer Calendar for Incoming MSW Students:
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SATURDAY AUGUST 7
San Diego Academic Center (SDAC) New Student Welcome Event
An invite will be sent to your personal email account closer to the date. The event is from
11am-2pm at the SDAC.
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SATURDAY AUGUST 14
Orange County Academic Center (OCAC) New Student Welcome Event
An invite will be sent to your personal email account closer to the date. The event is from
11am-2pm at the OCAC.
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SATURDAY AUGUST 17
Graduate School Orientation (optional)
We encourage all incoming graduate students to attend the USC Graduate Student
Orientation. This orientation will include information about campus services, university life and
resources, a welcome barbecue, and an evening reception for all graduate students at USC.
For more information and to RSVP online: http://www.usc.edu/orientation/graduate.
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School of Social Work Community Immersion (Orientation) Week
Community Immersion is mandatory for all incoming students. Everyone will attend four
days of activities. During “Community Immersion,” you will begin your studies for SOWK 534:
Policy and Practice in Social Service Organizations by exploring an urban neighborhood in
Los Angeles, Orange County, or San Diego. Schedules will be available on our website the
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Well said…
Like the old saying goes “never mix religion and politics” into a conversation (and decision making).
The only fair thing to do is move it back to the original time since this had already been decided (right?). Then next year have it at an earlier time. Alternate the times so that no one religious group appears to get preferential treatment. To give one group an appearance of preference will definitely cause anamosity every year.
Sure some groups will be offended but life is all about challenges and compromise. An individual’s character is built upon challenges they encounter and compromises they make.
Who will man-up and say “we understand and we are willing to compromise and we will look forward to next year for our group.”
“Sure some groups will be offended but life is all about challenges and compromise. An individual’s character is built upon challenges they encounter and compromises they make.”
I find this ironic.
But I reply with this:
I understand and I am willing to compromise – C/O 2011 – 2pm graduation on Howard Jones. We’ll make it awesome!
“Striving to Strengthen, Empower and Inspire”
Lets hold ourselves to it.
Who do I sound like?
“Waahhh! Waahhh! Mommy, you told me that you were going to take me to Chucky Cheese’s!!”
Mom: “I am sorry son. We cannot go because life happens.”
“Wahhh! Wahh! But you promised!!!”
I am a Trojan from a different department. In our department, the administrators are paid to make the difficult decisions. And we can either like them or dislike them but they have the final say. You are complaining that you don’t have a voice? Give me a break. Were you raised in a cave? (Apologies go out to the cavemen out there.) That is how it works. Executives are there to make the ”executive” decisions.
I have a good friend who is an alumni of the School of Social work and she says that there are monthly “lunch with the deans” where students can voice their concerns. That is unheard of. We do not have such an arena to complain to administrators. Have you attended these meetings? If we don’t like the dean’s decisions, we can suck it up and stay, or just leave. There are probably hundreds of students who would love to fill your spot.
Be resilient and get over it! Move on and enjoy the celebration at graduation.
Stop your complaining! Knock it off already!! Stop acting like immature children!!
Stop embarrassing yourselves and most importantly stop embarrassing USC with your childish whining!!
For my graduation, we are also under a tent. The location does not matter to me at all. I am just happy to share and celebrate with my family my accomplishments. The past several years, I have worked hard and consequently ignored my friends and family because of the overwhelming school work. Yet they supported me and graduation is the time for me say thanks. I know my grandparents would show up even if it was held outside with no tent.
Stay classy “social workers”!!!
And DT, how is this news worthy?
And what department are you from?
I think you point to an interesting practice at the school of social work, that the school is a top-down organization, but it is managed in a way that encourages the opposite. The organizational context does not support a bottom-up approach and so conflict and friction occurs when students who think that they are stakeholders in this process are stymied. This is further complicated when these students do not acknowledge the point that further protest, especially as it is being done here, is counterproductive to their cause.
Also you are right that any other department would probably suck it up and move on. But your interpretation that we are immature children is inaccurate and I hope you consider the following. One strength of the social work education is that we are trained to advocate for what we believe in, and that is reflected in our rich history of social change and support of progressive movements. What you are seeing now are beginning professional social workers who are living up to this tradition, albeit in a misguided way.
Well, as we are all entitled to our own opinion, here is mine. Here’s the whole story from my point of view… I saw what went down on facebook and some of the comments posted in reference to the individual quoted in this article. Speaking as a Jewish student, I did not take offense to any of it. I did not see any of it in a mean spirited or hateful kind of way, but I can certainly see how it might have been taken out of context.
From what I read, another student posted a Yiddish insult comment on the student org. group page. The student who posted this, who I know is Jewish, seemed to have meant it as a joke to help make light of the whole crazy graduation debacle. The student quoted in this article, who I feel might even know the student who posted the initial Yiddish insult comment, responded back to the other student with an ‘OMG, lol.’ He then preceeded again by adding another Yiddish quip. The student who posted the original Yiddish post responded with another Yiddish phrase. Some people were upset by this and posted their thoughts. The original poster even posted an ‘Oy Vey,’ and to me, it seemed to say almost lighten up people, it was meant to be funny and not so serious.
Some people reading this took this to be offensive and voiced their concerns. One individual even posted both of their names and said to ‘cut it out!’ At which point, the original poster had deleted her all of her Yiddish quips posts, leaving all of the Yiddish quips by the person quoted in his article to stand alone. To some reading that, it might have seemed offensive, but when you looked at it in its entirety, which I did, it did not. That’s certainly not to say that it was not the correct forum for both students to banter back and forth on, it might have been inappropriate.
Some people on this site are calling out the student quoted in this article saying that he’s spewing hateful words and what not, when they did not see the whole situation in its entirety. I can see how some might see what he posted as being hateful and mean spirited when his comments stood alone, which it did for some time until it was removed. If he’s taking heat, people also might want to look calling out the student who posted the original remarks, to which he responded to… I just wanted to get this out there for all to see.
Throwing around the word hate and anti-semetic are very dangerous, especially when you don’t look at the entire picture. We must remember that on facebook, words and be taken out of context and misconstrued, as educated people, we must remember to look at the entire picture.
Both students should not have used the student org. forum to post their comments, it was inappropriate. But speaking as a Jewish student, I did not see it as offensive or anti-semetic at all.
We must be very careful before we throw the words hate and anti-semetic around.
i saw this “yiddish conversation” unfold from the beginning, and i do know that the original poster is jewish – doesn’t matter. it was still completely inappropriate for both of them to engage in such banter – especially in light of the other posts the student quoted in this article has made. he DID post pictures of jewish faculty members on his page, telling people that this was who they could blame for the venue change. that in and of itself warrants this student being called out as an antisemite and calling for disciplinary action against him. the other stuff just adds to it.
If that was the case, his page would have been blown up with comments? Word would have gotten around, no? Judging from his posts on this page, he seems to only be fairly advocating, at least in my opinion. I guess when you’re in the ‘spotlight’, it’s fair game to be attacked on all ends, regardless of points of views…
I bet now he knows what it might feel like to be a politician. But I don’t think he is spewing hate, nor do I think he’s anti-semitic. If you think he’s hateful (which I certainly don’t), and instead of you calling him hateful and an anti-semitic, why don’t you engage in personal dialogue with him and explain your point of view. Perhaps he doesn’t realize his actions can be interpreted in manners for which he did not intend to.
As a social worker, maybe you can help convey your point of view with him and help him understand where you are coming from? That will certainly help him understand and correct his actions, won’t it? Isn’t that what we are taught and trained to do? Isn’t that the basis of our duty and profession? I’m just saying…
At this point, let’s all work together and help one another understand differences. If I can get anything out of this whole debacle, I want to learn more about the Muslim faith.
“If that was the case, his page would have been blown up with comments? Word would have gotten around, no?”
No, because he deleted it.
That is an accurate blow-by-blow. Many people saw the full exchange, and some have screenshots of it. However, your comfort with it as a Jew doesn’t make it ok, nor does the other person’s participation as a Jew, if that is the case, make it ok. Many other students, Jewish and non-Jewish alike, found the exchange mocking and antisemetic in tone, and completely inappropriate, particularly coming from a person raising hell over changing the graduation ceremony in response to Jewish concerns.
Yes, I agree with you. I think this is a lesson for both students. I don’t think he or she meant any harm. And I don’t think he raised hell over the graduation, he along with many other students are advocating. Just so happens that out of all the pictures taken by the Daily Trojan (because I attended both meetings and also spoke to the Daily Trojan reporter), they used his…
Seems as if they felt bad about offending people, they would have apologized to the people they offended.
Do Jews ever get tired of getting offended at the drop of a hat? Is it possible to simple disagree with someone who is Jewish and not be called an Anitsemite?
Exactly.
Dump the old bag.
She’s a Zionist puppet.
Simple solution…move graduation to the following Monday
Or Thursday the night before?
Or maybe she is culturally competent and tries to consider our students and faculty? The USC School of Social Work works with Hebrew Union, there are students that are perusing joint degrees.
Shame on those students who have spewed hatred by posting comments on facebook that are not only threatening and comparing a modern day humanitarian crisis to a graduation event? Are you flippin’ kidding me! Come on guys!
True SOCIAL WORKERS adhere to the NASW Code of Ethics which states the following:
The mission of the social work profession is rooted in a set of core values. These core values, embraced by social workers throughout the profession’s history, are the foundation of social work’s unique purpose and perspective:
* service
* social justice
* dignity and worth of the person
* importance of human relationships
* integrity
* competence.
The Daily Trojan should also look into covering important accomplishments that the School of Social Work has done in the past and the present. Those students who were quoted were obviously spewing/ projecting a lot of anger before clearly thinking how they were going to be seen by classmates, peers and future employers!
It’s sad, but in the end, they make social workers look bad and add-on to our already tarnished image by the media. So a big thank you to those students who are now the embarrassment of the School of Social Work. Clearly I will be making sure that my colleagues in the field keep an eye out for these soon to be graduates who posses little conflict resolution skills and act like spoiled children. In all, I hope my beloved Graduate Alma Matter’s administration will handle this situation before future employers begin to stereotype our graduates as children who are worthy to call themselves social workers.
Marc class of ’97
Dear Marc,
Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!
Marc, The article did not do justice to the volume of the concerns that were brought up by students. Many students are upset because the administration has failed to exemplify or follow the values in the NASW Code of Ethics!!!! I believe the USC School of Social work currently differs from when you were a student. Much of the problem stems from the over admittance of students. Our graduating class has 400 STUDENTS!!!!! The administration admitted these students but were not adequately equipped to do so. Internships were underdeveloped, there has been a shortage of faculty, issues as simple as classrooms have even become an issue. I would like to point out that many first year students did not even have internships at all until months after the semester began.
It is upsetting that you, a social worker, would stereotype the student who are upset with the change in graduation as “spoiled children”. I am a first generation student from a low socioeconomic background. I have struggled tremendously due to my decision to attend this university due to the high tuition. However, I made this decision because the Social Work program is ranked top 10 in the nation. As a stakeholder/student I am disappointed with the School of Social Work. This disappointment expands beyond the issue of graduation.
The administration continues to make decisions with out considering the voice of students. As an alumni – I completely understand your defense of the program however, it is not students that are tarnishing the reputation of the School of Social Work but rather the leadership (administrators) of the program. Hopefully, the School of Social Work reverts back to providing the services that the graduating class of ’97 was fortunate to receive.
I could be wrong, but it doesn’t seem like Marc was referring to students who were simply upset with the venue change as spoiled children…. But rather he seemed to be singling out the students who were comparing our graduation event to a modern day humanitarian crisis, comparing Dean Flynn to infamous dictators, etc etc – as acting like spoiled children.
There are ways we can advocate for change, use conflict resolution skills, and still stick to our values. Throwing a hate filled tantrum is not one of them.
Unknown Trojan- Thank you for your clarification. However, please do not assume that those who are upset with the venue change do not have a valid right to do so. These student cannot be stereotyped as “spoiled children” either. There are valid points underlying the frustrations with the venue change. Although, the Dean has stated that students can invite as many guests as they want and that tickets are unlimited.-the old venue can hold a significantly larger amount of guests. Also even on the surface level students were promised the Shrine. The new venue as the dean has stated was not previously chosen “because it is not air-conditioned, the sound is not particularly good, and it is simply less attractive from a ceremonial point of view”. Although the prestige of the ceremony may not matter to some- for others it may. It is not fair to devalue the opinions of these students by labeling them as “spoiled children”.
Students who are upset with the venue change or how the whole situation was handled have the right to be upset. No one is saying they aren’t allowed to be upset.
However, those students who are resorting to hate, anti-semetism, name-calling, etc – they’re the ones who people are calling out as “spoiled children.”
Marc,
Your professional threat towards these new graduates which you are intent on having your colleagues “keep an eye out for…” is pathetic and what is actually damaging to the profession of Social Workers. If you disagree with the position of certain people you are going to extend that vendetta and see that these dissenters pay in the future? Seems these personal, childish vendettas tarnish the profession of Social Work more then a zealous pursuit to expression a certain position one chooses to have. Your weak argument that their FB page is all you need to know about their judgement in the future is such a cowardly reaction to your little temper tantrum. Shame on you.
Please do not become a social worker. Perhaps another profession would suit you better. One in a boxing ring perhaps? We have no need for people like you in our profession. Please reconsider your choice of profession. I hear no compassion, but patronizing and condescending remarks in order for your word to be heard.
Wow, so how are the hypocritical, ad hominem attacks working for you? I imagine I am being as compassionate, patronizing and condescending with my comments as you would be if someone wanted the graduation ceremony to start at the crack of dawn because it would please their god of choice, Apollo. They would have as much evidence as the evidence for observing the Shabbat.
Look, I do not care if you believe observing the Shabbat is important. I do care you are imposing your need to practice this to the detriment of others.
You hate Jews. We get it.
Tommy,
Actually, I find ALL religions laughable so if you are Jewish, stop feeling so special but that is neither here nor there…the issue here is why a dean of our secular university are making important decisions affecting many students based on the consecrated praxis of a single group.
Actually – i’m an atheist.
Tommy,
Then do you come from super liberal parents that beat into your head about being super hyper politically correct to the point you can not formulate opinions if it appears to be critical of any group? Wow – you are so typical LA…
Shame on the Daily Trojan. Not only was this reporter drawn out to the event by an overzealous hater, but then Cueva failed to acknowledge other sides of this debacle. All of the students quoted and interviewed were the “squeakiest wheels” — I’m sure she didn’t bother to find other students to talk to. What about the numerous students who don’t feel this change is an “injustice”? And, as another poster has mentioned, one quoted student in particular, as well as others sadly, have been posting hateful messages on Facebook. Not only do these students misrepresent the student body, but lazy reporting has misrepresented the full story. Where’s the Daily Trojan at more meaningful — and newsworthy — School of Social Work events? When year after year it sends the largest contingent of social workers to the State Capitol to advocate for the vulnerable and underserved? When students held a marriage equality rally that featured the mayor of West Hollywood? When it unveiled a first-of-its-kind virtual tool to train students to address the mental health needs of returning soldiers? But maybe I’m asking too much. Maybe the Daily Trojan wants to go the way of other media outlets, “reporting” only on what’s most sensational, and content with quasi-facts. What’s next, Lindsay Lohan on the front page?
Yes! Thank you!
The voices of reason are starting to emerge!
WOW!!! Looks like the daily trojan really got this one right (that some students are upset)
-unlike the article about outrage over a stupid venue change for orientation from ground zero to the new cc
I’ve never seen more comments (or even such long comments) on a post before.
As for this issue, just figure out which time affects more students. Either way some students will miss out/have to make a choice. If more ppl cant go to the earlier time b/c of other graduation ceremonies/muslim observances….move it back to 6, if more ppl cant make 6 b/c of shabbat, keep it as is.
This is in no way against any group, and I think the fact that it changed from 6 to 2 to accomidate religious students is totally acceptable, and was surprised to read that there was outrage over the fact that it was to accommodate jewish students, rather than over the venue change. (outrage over the principle rather than practicality) as it reads:
“Students said they are not as upset about the change in venue or time as they are about the lack of equality for all students at a secular institution.”
b/c this change was clearly TRYING to promote equality so that ppl wouldn’t miss out, NOT the other way around.
WOW!!! Looks like the daily trojan really got this one right (that some students are upset)
-unlike the article about outrage over a stupid venue change for orientation from ground zero to the new cc
I’ve never seen more comments (or even such long comments) on a post before.
As for this issue, just figure out which time affects more students. Either way some students will miss out/have to make a choice. If more ppl cant go to the earlier time b/c of other graduation ceremonies/muslim observances….move it back to 6, if more ppl cant make 6 b/c of shabbat, keep it as is.
This is in no way against any group, and I think the fact that it changed from 6 to 2 to accomidate religious students is totally acceptable, and was surprized to read that there was outrage over the fact that it was to accommodate jewish students, rather than over the venue change. (outrage over the principle rather than practicality) as it reads:
“Students said they are not as upset about the change in venue or time as they are about the lack of equality for all students at a secular institution.”
b/c this change was clearly TRYING to promote equality so that ppl wouldn’t miss out, NOT the other way around.
I dont think it’s necessary to be rude or insensitive to any religion or culture. We are social workers and we must remember to be culturally sensitive and advocate in a professional manner. I agree that the dean and administration handled this situation very inappropriately. We all deserve an apology and we all deserve a memorable graduation ceremony. Let’s be respectful of one another and work together not against each other.
Exactly!
I agree 100%!
It’s helpful to consider the source here. The gentleman fomenting this little rebellion, Danny Hang, has been caught on Facebook posting pictures of Jewish faculty and accusing them of ruining graduation (faculty who, ironically, don’t even observe Shabbat, but were painted with his hate brush nevertheless because they are Jewish), and enjoying a little mockery of Jews in Yiddish. All of which posts he has since removed, under pressure from peers who will not be associated with, or tolerate, such anti-Semitism.
Muslim students and students of other spiritual and religious backgrounds should all make their voices heard, and have the right to do so. Furthermore, if the school does not provide that opportunity during its upcoming meeting with students, and respond to their concerns, then that is failing on the school’s part, and all students should be upset with the school about that. Laying the blame for the administration’s actions at the feet of Jews, who merely advocated successfully for themselves, is unacceptable. Just as it would be unacceptable if the situation were different, and the ceremony had been scheduled for Sunday morning, and Christians had been up in arms. Let’s try to keep arguments rational and objective, and devoid of blanket statements and other subtle signs of prejudice.
Absolutely, thank you! I’ve been so put off by some of our peers reactions to the change in graduation. Please keep it classy folks!
Thank you “Consider the source” for pointing this out. I hope he faces disciplinary action for the hate he has spewed.
Deleting one’s comments does not make them go away. People should be held accountable. That’s what screenshots are for.
Even without screenshots or testimony, comments are always there on the FB server too.
While everyone is certainly entitled to their own opinion, publicly stating someone’s name and falsely accusing them of things that are not true is unfortunate. This “little rebellion” that you speak of is a collective of students who are coming together to advocate for themselves ultimately to address the pattern of Dean Flynn making decisions without anyone’s input.
The student who you mention above is one of many students who are coming together to address concerns and never to demean anyone’s religion.
Students are voicing their concerns about the handling of the change. Also, aside from the graduation change, there are numerous issues that have not been addressed by administration. Advocacy should not be berated or belittled. No one is trying to devalue your opinion but falsifying statements and making assumptions about people’s intentions is unnecessary.
I hear that your upset and understand being rational and objective but if that is the case and you obviously know the person stated above, you could have just had a dialogue with him.
Actually, the things stated about this student ARE true. The administration is aware of and has seen his blatantly antisemitic comments/postings, as have dozens of other students. There is no hiding from this. Taking them down does not mean they never happened. Having such a person at the forefront of your movement seriously ruins your credibility. One cannot have a dialogue with hate.
I agree with “actually.”
The student in question has been obnoxious. Having him as a leader of your movement taints what you’re trying to do and the message you’re trying to send.
Who said he is the leader of our movement? Because the daily trojan highlighted his comments, please do not make assumptions.
As I said before, students are coming together collectively with a common goal to address administration effectively. Please do not devalue the hard work that is being to voice student concerns. Assumptions about what we are meeting for is wrong. Also, do not make assumptions and state that our dialogue is filled with hate, it is far from that.
It is truly disheartening to read all of these comments from educated and trained social workers that are supposed to walk in a spirit of empathy and respect. As a profession, to advocate is not merely what we do but who we are be it on a micro or macro level. Those that have voiced their concerns regarding the unilateral decision by the Administration to change graduation should not by any means be misconstrued as prejudicial or racist. As a matter of fact it is an attempt to refrain from being exclusionary toward our colleagues that many voice their opinions.
The Dean’s decision to change graduation to accommodate some cultures while not considering others’ defeats her so-called intent of “attempting” to be inclusive toward everyone. It is impossible to accommodate everyone with such rich cultural and religious traditions, however, it is possible to create choice and options and allow people to decide what is best for them. That is what it means to be inclusive!
The complaint is not so much about the venue but that choice was taken away. Had the graduates been given an opportunity to vote, the change would have been much easier to swallow rather than being force fed to take what was given. Like the civil rights, women’s suffrage and other equality movements, activists fought for options; to choose to sit anywhere on a bus or restaurant or to vote if they wanted to. The injustice was about taking away free choice (exclusion) and likewise, the student’s choices were taken away by the Dean.
The bottom line is that the Dean should have made no change! It was unnecessary and counterintuitive. Additionally, the Dean’s failure to be accountable for her decision until she was confronted shows her failure as a leader; if you are going to make a decision then don’t point fingers but own it from the outset!
The Dean has single-handedly by her blatant disregard for ALL students created a school that is divided culturally which is SHAMEFUL! Accusations are being made and lies are being told about our colleagues that would have never been uttered. Many of us have spent the last 2-3 years learning and growing together and have created friendships that have now been tarnished. Danny Hang may be somewhat obnoxious and extreme but an anti-Semite he is NOT! If you knew him you would know that without question. I have personally disagreed and engaged in debate with him but despite our differences I respect him because he has heart and is not afraid to speak out and confront issues which should be commended, not stifled and is what leadership is about!
To disagree is fine but to attack one’s character is NOT what we as social workers are about! I implore every student in our program to please cease with the hateful discourse and really assess the situation for what it is. This is not about one student or culture against another but really about the Administration’s mishandling of graduation and we cannot lose sight of that no matter who decided to speak out about it. If we as a graduating class, program and school cannot do that, then none of us deserve to walk on May 13th or put MSW behind our names!
I see no problem stating that one Danny Hang, mentioned in this article, publicly posted pictures of all the Jewish faculty members in the School of Social Work, without their permission, and accused them on Facebook of “ruining” his graduation. That’s exactly what he did, I have seen it and numerous faculty members have seen it, and there is no “false accusation” there. The fact that he has deleted them does not in any way erase those acts, especially on the internet when these things are so easily accessible.
If a Muslim student truly can not participate in our graduation ceremony due to the prayer service than USC must address this! I hope that the Muslim student body brings this to Dean Flynn’s attention.
I wholeheartedly agree with you. But I think the issue lies in the student body of Muslim as well as other religious minority representation within the confines of faculty and staff. I applaud the Jewish community for being able to come together and rally for a change, that’s what it’s all about, and I respect that – Shabbat Shalom, Shalom Chaverim! L’chaim!
There are many Jewish students within our program and there are many Jewish faculty and staff within our program that can help to institute change and provide cultural learning and guidance on Jewish education and culture. Hell we even have a cross program with Hebrew Union College!
That is not the case for underrepresented minorities like that of the Muslim community within the School of Social Work. I see a lot of Jewish professors and staff members, and I am very proud of that. In fact, I have had many Jewish professors at USC (mostly all of my professors) that have been amazing, as they have helped taught me some Jewish cultures and traditions that I did not know before. And I am happy they did that, as being a social worker I enjoy learning about different cultures and religions not my own. One professor even invited me to a celebrate a Passover Seder with their family, and I am grateful they did, teh food was amazing and I learned a lot! Heck, we even have the Skirball Center, and that is great! Jewish students can certainly look to Jewish professors and staff for any cultural guidance as well as learning.
As far as the Muslim student body is concerned, there aren’t many, and they are clearly in the minority. Hell, they weren’t even considered and thought of when the graduation ceremony was changed. THAT ANGERS ME as I have many Muslim family members (converted) and friends. We don’t see many faculty and or staff members within the school who reflect the Muslim community that can help advocate for minorities such a Muslim students. If that was the case, then the school, and when I say school, I mean Dean Flynn, then considerations other than as well as in addition to the Judaism faith would have taken place. Instead a unilateral decision was made in a horrific way and mistakenly leaked out to everyone. The same goes for Hindu, Buddhist, Sikh, Zoroastrian, and many other beliefs and faiths around the globe. I think that is a shame.
In the Daily Trojan article, Dean Flynn as a dictator, WHO CAN BE COMPARED TO THE LIKES OF: Castro/Gadaffi/Kim-Jung-Il/Moubarak/Tito/Stalin, stated that the School of Social Work was very diverse. SHE LIED TO COVER HER ASS AND SAVE FACE! The school is not as diverse as the school certainly advertises to the community and incoming students. Personally, I think herein lies the problem, and this is part of the reason we are in this graduation debacle in the first place.
Equality for all religions is a must. Especially since USC is a secular institution. No particular should be given preference over others.
“Dean Flynn as dictator, WHO CAN BE COMPARED TO THE LIKES OF: Castro/Gadaffi/Kim-Jung-Il/Moubarak/Tito/Stalin.”
Seriously? Wow, you’re a piece of work.
The vitriolic reaction from the student body regarding this graduation debacle is the result of a series of administrative and leadership failures by the school of social work.
This includes the current graduation issue, poor planning of all school day (reserving a space too small to accommodate all students despite it being a mandatory event), admission of too many students without adequate professors and field study placements, and an outdated curriculum and myopic view of social work education that stifles creativity and fails to adequately prepare students for the professional world of social work.
While I do believe that the the education here is second to none in the LA area, it does not live up to the hype and promises. In my opinion, that is why students are angry: we did not receive what we were promised and this graduation event is a tipping point and a poignant example of what has been happening through the course of our graduate education.
Fight on.
Here-here!!
As alum, I have seen a drop in the quality of the program, the professors, the classes, and even the quality of some of the students they admit to the program has fallen. I am disappointed that the school has shifted so far from what it promised to many students, and can’t seem to find a balance between delivering quality education and placating the students. When people ask me if they should go to USC SSW, I say no- the school has started to make a whole lot of promises, paints a pretty picture on the outside, but fails to deliver. It’s embarrassing.
How can the school be #8 in the country, but fail the students?
As for the graduation, I hope they can figure it out.
The question is does USC SSW observe these religious holidays? If yes, then the planning committee should have foreseen this holiday and planned around it before confirming the time, venue, and date for the ceremony.
However, if USC SSW does not observe religious holidays, it was unfair to change the graduation ceremony, especially without hearing from the students.
Speaking of hearing from the students, it makes me wonder what’s the point of having ‘Lunch with the Deans’ and surveys if they DON’T LISTEN.
The students’ concerns/complaints is an indicator to how the program is working.
Yes there’s an administrative side to the program that the deans must adhere to, but dang, listen to the students who PAY ALL THAT DAMN MONEY !!
I have been reading this entire thread and I feel the above comment is much like how I feel. As a first year student, since I will not be attending this year’s graduation I haven’t become emotionally involved in the whole ordeal since it doesn’t affect my graduation plans (as of now)- however, I have first-hand experienced the poor planning of all school day, admission of too many students and not enough field placements, and outdated curriculums. THIS is why MOST people are upset, from what I see and hear. It’s just the straw that broke the camel’s back for the people who do not observe conflicting religious holidays(s) or need special accommodations for family members that would have been better served at the Shrine. Also, there was an earlier comment questioning the DT’s decision to publish an article about this ordeal, yet they really never do come around when the school of social work is doing some GOOD. shame on them.
[email protected]…. Contact her with your opinions let our voices be heard.. And let’s put into action what the school of social work has taught us to ADVOCATE for what we belief in..!
If you are a Jewish student who observes Shabbat there is absolutely no way to attend the graduation ceremony, as every element of the ceremony violates Shabbat. If you are a Muslim student who needs to pray at some point during the afternoon ceremony, one could hypothetically take out a mat, pray and then return to the graduation. There is a very big difference. It is incumbent upon the students to understand these nuances. This is a part of the cultural sensitivity education that USC obviously failed to provide. Any ranting about “Jewish money” is hyperbolic as there is no basis for these types of claims. When statements like these are made without any proof, I have to wonder about the inner thought process that leads a person to such radical conclusions.
How dare you reduce the Muslim Jumu’ah prayer to only praying on a mat!
The jumu’ah prayer (also known as jum’ah, Friday prayer, etc.) is a congregational prayer (salah) that Muslims hold every Friday is half the dhuhr prayer, for convenience, preceded by a khutbah (a sermon as a technical replacement of the two reduced rakaʿāt of the ordinary dhuhr prayer), and followed by a communal prayer, led by the imam. This is usually held at a Mosque where an Imam is present.
This isn’t just any daily prayer, this is a Friday Congregational prayer at a Mosque. THAT IS THE BIG DIFFERENCE! I think you should also read up and learn more about these cultural nuances.
The “Cultural sensitivity” you seem to value so dearly is what allows female genitals to be mutilated around the world – all in deference towards “respecting” retarded cultures retarded practices. What If I believed my daughters were witches that brought me a bad crop – would you respect my desire to burn them?
Wow…if you are trying to make a point you have loss all my respect.
OMG, Ras – please please please tell me you were trying to be funny? If not, please please tell me that you wrote this while high on something that caused poor judgement and some sort of thought disorder. Your statement is ridiculous.
There is a HUGE difference between advocating for cultural competence, respect, and tolerance vs. advocating for human right violations.
I am glad the Dean is holding a Town Hall to communicate with students. However, prior to being contacted by the Daily Trojan we were informed that she would not be available to meet with students until March 10th. Also prior to be contacted by the Daily Trojan the Dean had not responded to any emails sent to her by students voicing their concerns and now she states that she is willing to meet with any student who is inconvenienced individually? All of the sudden she is willing to free her calendar? It seems that she is finally receiving pressure from the students and other entities to face the consequences of her abrupt decision. The administration has made decisions like this time and again since I have been a MSW student.
Also, to the post stating that most students are upset because a graduation under a tent is less desirable. Although, some schools hold their ceremonies outside schools also hold their graudation at the Galen center as well as the Shrine. Also because the Dean made this decision so close to graduation-Howard Jones Field was the only venue open. One can assume this is because no other school wanted this venue at this time. Students are stakeholders of this institution and have the right to state their opinions. I am growing tired of people throwing the teachings of the social work profession in the face of those who would like a nice ceremony. The administration is not setting a good example for student and is also violating many of the values in the social work code of ethics.
For me this issue expands beyond graduation. As a stakeholder/customer I have not received what I have paid for. The USC School of Social Work is ranked as a top 8 in the nation however; they are not living up to this standard. I am very disappointed in my decision to attend this program besides the connections that I have made with other MSW students. I also want to commend students for advocating. As the c/o 2012 MSW student stated above this will also help them in the future.
How do we send this link to every social work school in southern california?????? Can someone attempt to work on this? Everyone needs to know that the facade of the USC School of Social Work is a bunch of bologne! This article sums up some of the reality.
Flynn abrupt decision goes against everything the school of social has taught us students.. She’s has taken away our voices.. I used to be proud to say I attended USC now I am disgusted with USC especially Dean Flynn who does not taken the students into consideration..! She sided with Jewish professors who have been at USC for many years and decided to change the ceremony without even asking the students.. Flynn was wrong to make special accommodations for one the Jewish community becuz now she will not make those same accomadations for the muslim community.. USC is all about the money(Jewish donors) not about the students..!
Contact [email protected] she wants to hear what has really been going on at USC
Frankly, I think the graduation ceremony should have gone as planned. I’m not a Religious Studies major or anything but Shabbat is held EVERY SINGLE Friday, a Masters graduation ceremony may be that “Once in a life time” event. The graduation planning process does not need to take on a religious agenda, this isn’t Fuller or Pepperdine. This “decision” made by Flynn is unfair as it accomodates a handful of people but NEGATIVELY affects hundreds of others! I’m an alumni, w/a sibling participating in this graduation ceremony and I am bothered at the change and this consideration to a religious event AND at the way Flynn has gravely mishandled the situation. I have a feeling she does’nt in fact come from a Social Work background, explains A LOT!
Is there a connection with major USC contributors and donors and this obvious pandering to the Jewish community? Perhaps there are external and internal pressures paced on Dean Flynn and she is not strong enough to stand up for what she really desired and just simply caved. If you just walk around campus and see names on placards on benches, gates, buildings, etc can you take a guess if those major contributors are Jewish? I suppose if I ran an institution that readily receives a lot of money from a certain group, I too would pander to them and forfeit the considerations of other groups who may not be as substantial in their donations. What Dean Flynn did I am sure pleased everyone from the School of Social Work to all the heads of the University. This cold splash of reality is fitting for a graduation ceremony that will finally thrust the students out into the real world. BTW, I am eager to hear the first person gasp and use “I am deeply offended…” argument as a counterpoint to my post. I would also not be surprised to read responses that even accuse me of being Anti Semitic even though I have NOT said anything negative about the Jewish Community. In our retarded, hyper politically correct society people are quick and eager to be offended about most anything. Now people are going to sidetrack this topic and say they were offended I used the word “retarded”…wow – this is really hard to have a candid, honest conversation anymore.
I am EXTREMELY disappointed in USC School of Social Work. I am a 3 year part-time graduating student and have seen this institution’s integrity to students dissipate and now with this change, I feel utterly ignored and disrespected. Dean Flynn and all of Administration need to reflect on how quickly the school of social work is losing its reputation and now being seen as a “brand” instead of an honorable academic institution….
For a school that is leading the Nation in military research and diversity, I find it very ironic, disrespectful and hypocritical that there is a lack of uniformity when Shabbat is (honored) recognized and Veterans Day is not a holiday that is observed (meaning students still must go to internship or class).
Most of the schools/programs at SC are having ceremonies outside on fields and under tents. Our ceremony, like theirs, will turn out just fine.
I commend the School of Social Work for taking Shabbat into consideration. I think it is unfortunate how the whole situation was handled (via a misdirected e-mail).
The article states,”Students said they are not as upset about the change in venue or time as they are about the lack of equality for all students at a secular institution.”
I think this (the secular institution argument) represents the opinion of only a handful of angry students. I have heard that most students are upset at the way the situation was handled and/or that we have “downgraded” from the Shrine to what sounds like a less than desirable tent.
Hello, I was the one quoted in the article with regards to the “secular” comment. I did say that, but I also did mention a whole slew of other arguments as well, including what you mentioned about “the way the situation was handled.” I just wanted to be clear on that point. The writter of the article slanted the article towards religious beliefs but failed to bring up other points. She actually interviewed the person I will be referencing below.
And yes, I do commend the school for taking into consideration the Shabbat, as we should be sensitive to beliefs and cultures not of our very own. If we follow that logic, which we all should as social workers, why wasn’t the Muslim observance of the Jumu’ah also taken into consideration? Jumu’ah is the (Muslim Friday prayer, etc.) is a congregational prayer (salah) that Muslims hold every Friday, just after noon in lieu of dhuhr. Jumu’ah occurs EVERY FRIDAY, just like how the Shabbat occurs EVERY SATURDAY. In situations like this, picking one over another is not healthy and not good for anybody. Look at the divide that this has created?
One individual of Muslim belief expressed during the graduation committee meeting last Thursday that their parents and grandparents would not be able to attend the graduation ceremony due to the Jumu’ah prayer. Is it right that this individual’s religious needs are not met by the school but other religious beliefs are met? Is this person’s religious beliefs not as important or come secondary to another’s faith?
You should really ask yourself about that and then try and come up with a good alternative that you might want to share with Dean Flynn.
I was at the meeting when the Muslim student expressed that her family would not be able to come because of the 12-2 prayer time. But I was also there when Hillary Chisum asked if pushing the start time of the ceremony back would be beneficial to give them time to get to USC. That student said NO, that she had family coming from several countries. What?? What does that have to do with religious observance? It was clear that this student was concerned with number of allowed tickets and not with accommodating every group’s observances. If you are going to tell the story, tell the WHOLE story.
Danny thank you for your excellent comment. I believe the point is when accomidating one group another may be excluded. Many who are upset with the MSW students for speaking up and accusing them of being culturally insensitive. Students have the right to advocate. Please do not be quick to assume that these students are lacking in the area of cultural sensitivity!!!!!!!
I was also at the meeting and to the comment of telling the whole story. I do not believe it is fair for you to assume that “it was clear that the student this student was concerned with the number of-allowed tickets and not with accomidating every group’s observences”. How did you come to this conclusion? Did you ask the student personally? Making assumptions is adding to the divide amongst students.
OK, well… First of all, the prayer service is not like a 10 or 15 minute service. It may last a while, maybe even up to 2 or 3 hours depending on the sermon given by the Imam. The point is, it is an important day of prayer that only occurs once a week, similar to the observance of the Jewish Shabbat or even the Christian Sabbath. Muslims hold Friday in a special and high regard, please do not downplay that. Who are you to say? If the prayer service lasted 1 1/5 hours or maybe even 2 hours, or even more, that would still push the graduation ceremony to 4 or maybe even 5 o’clock, almost cutting into the Shabbat?
Don’t assume just because that student didn’t further explain their specific reason, they weren’t telling their whole story. That student certainly does not need to explain to you. Did the Jewish community explain to the rest of us? NO, they did not, in fact the administration explained for them via a leaked e-mail. But, besides the point, we as students, are understanding that the Shabbat is held in high regards to the Jewish faithful and we adhere to that. Most are upset at the process of how it happened. In addition, accommodations for certain beliefs should also warrant accommodations for others.
That is the WHOLE STORY. Maybe you should try and open dialogue with the Muslim community and find out more before any assumptions are made? In fact, I think all of us can benefit from that. It might be a good learning experience and better help us to understand different faiths and beliefs. Whether you’re Muslin, Jewish, Christian, Buddhist, or hell even a Satanist. Ones beliefs are ones beliefs and as social workers we should all be accepting, tolerant, and accommodating to all.
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Congratulations MSW students graduating c/o 2011 for advocating for yourself and your class. Your advocacy will not only help your class and your graduation ceremony, but also those classes that follow you. Please make your voices heard during the meetings!
Keep up the good work and fight on!!!
Not only do we, the students, want the Dean to apologize for the “abruptness of the change”, we also want her to apologize for consistently making decisions without involving students. Our tuition helps to pay administrator salaries. They work for students! It is NOT the other way around. And the thought of highly trained administrators making uninformed, biased and “abrupt” changes that impacts hundreds of other students and their families call into question whether or not she should be in such a position.
Thank you so much for publishing this article. Im glad our voices have been heard! Fight On!
It’s funny that she mentions that students are very involved in the graduation process when she also states that it was her decision. So basically students can be involved only when they go along with her wishes? Who is she without the students? Where are the NASW values and ethics in her statements? What does this say about the school of social work? I say the students should protest by excluding her and her administration from graduation ceremony. Have a student run graduation. You will still get your titles in the mail.
I think this is pretty damn ridiculous! As the article pointed out, USC is a secular institution. Yes, Shabbat is a very important day of observance, and I am proud that USC is taking that into sonsideration and had the ceremony moved for that reason out of respect. But on the other hand, so is the Muslim time and day of prayer which starts Friday afternoon. No one took that into consideration? The Dean needs to be held responsible for her discriminatory unilateral action.
This Dean sounds like a complete dictator. Especially with her quote, “This is my decision. This is how I decided to resolve the conflict as I understood it. Not everybody will agree with that, but that’s my perception and that’s my decision.” In thought Social Work was supposed to be about hearing the needs of people, advocacy, support, etc… She took that all away, she essentially took our voice. All of the tools that the social work program has instilled in its students are being taken away by this Dean.
In the old days, people like “Oliver Cromwell” would have simply solved this problem for all!